Taylor Swift has one of the fiercest groups of gal pals in Hollywood, but don’t think Mean Girls.
Lena Dunham says you should think about them more like a witches’ coven.
“I feel that Taylor has really taken control and said, ‘I’m going to get us all together in the same place, I’m gonna make it very clear that friendship is powerful and women are magic and if anybody thinks this is a witches’ coven, they might be right,” Dunham explained perfectly in Dazed, in which she interviewed friend and singer Lorde. “She just made it her job in a very cool way.”
The Girls star and creator also called Swift the “camp mother.”
And Lorde couldn’t have agreed more, “Yeah! I mean, she definitely brought me into this amazing world of supportive female friendship.”
Swift’s besties pack some serious girl power and include Selena Gomez, Sarah Hyland, Hailee Steinfeld, Gigi Hadid, Cara Delevingne, Lily Aldridge, Karlie Kloss, Jaime King and more. A host of her BFFs were even featured in Swift’s latest kick-ass music video for “Bad Blood,” which featured the fierce ladies in all their powerful glory.
And though Swift sings a lot about heartbreak, boys are far from the center of conversations among this group.
“For me, someone starts talking about boys and I’m like, ‘I just don’t know what to say.’ I’m useless in that capacity,” Lorde said, “and that was why I thought, ‘Well, I can’t have girl friends (because) I don’t know how to talk about boys.’ But Taylor just glosses over the fact that I’m terrible at that and she’s just like, ‘It’s OK, I’ll love you for your other qualities.'”
Aside from talking about the female empowerment Swift offers, the girls also discussed empowerment within their own careers.
Dunham explained people always ask her if she was asked to lose weight for her show, Girls, to which Lorde responded, “It’s your show!”
“That’s the thing,” Dunham continued, “you’re running your show, you’re not going to have those conversations.”
While Lorde, who got her start when she was a young teen, said she constantly gets asked if people tried to sexualize her image as a young girl, to which she responds, “Does that still happen these days? Is that a thing? I feel like people think more of teenage girls than that.”
She also added, “I came into this with such a strong viewpoint — even when I was 13 or 14, my sense of self felt too permanent for anyone to f*** with.”
Check out the whole interview over on Dazed‘s website.